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4/7/2014 3:53:11 PM

BeaverBob
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Hey Kendall and others -- Might OSU ultimately be hurt by its RPI and weak schedule when it comes time for national seeds. Although the Beavers are in the top 8 in most polls, they are in the 30s for RPI and I think #7 in ISR as of today. I can't see how they move into the top 15 in RPI by the time seeding selections are made. I know that RPI is a key factor in seeding.

If they win the Pac 12, I don't think they need to worry about a national seed, but if they were to slip and lose a few games and finish second, will the RPI play a big role in their seeding?
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4/7/2014 7:34:47 PM

Dodger Matt
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I don't think so. Even the selection committee realizes the Rat's Patootie Index is crap. They use it as a tool to figure out those borderline cases by dividing up "wins versus top 25, versus top 50, versus top 100" etc. But an RPI in the 30s for the top team in the Pac will not deny them their due.

IF the Beavs don't finish in first, then we'll see. But Oregon didn't last year and they still got a national seed.
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4/7/2014 7:47:22 PM

MiamiBaseball
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"Even the selection committee realizes the Rat's Patootie Index is crap."

Or maybe not. Last year's national seeds were 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9 in the RPI.
The year before they were 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,11 in the RPI.
The year before: 1,2,3,4,5,6,11,12.
The year before: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,11.

Can you find the last national seed whose RPI was in the 30's?
edited by MiamiBaseball on 4/7/2014
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4/7/2014 7:55:02 PM

OpihiMan
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Beavs have yet to play Washington 15, Oregon 32, UCLA 59, California 61, Washington State 89, and Southern California 91, Sacramento State is 131, and they only have 1 game left against Portland 234. If they win things will sort themselves out, if they win the PAC-12 then they really need only be around 12-15 is my guess.
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4/7/2014 7:59:18 PM

MiamiBaseball
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OpihiMan wrote:
Beavs have yet to play Washington 15, Oregon 32, UCLA 59, California 61, Washington State 89, and Southern California 91, Sacramento State is 131, and they only have 1 game left against Portland 234. If they win things will sort themselves out, if they win the PAC-12 then they really need only be around 12-15 is my guess.


This is the more accurate analysis. If they are near the top of the Pac-12, the RPI will most certainly climb up to national seed range.
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4/7/2014 8:01:29 PM

MiamiBaseball
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Just FYI, the worst national seed in the Super Regional era was Tulane at #19 in 2001, and it took 50 regular season wins for that to happen.

There have been about 8 teams in the mid to high teens who have been national seeds, but none since 2009. A Pac-12-winning OSU team that finishes top 15 will be a national seed, IMO.
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4/7/2014 8:11:13 PM

Dodger Matt
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If the RPI was the dominant determining factor, why didn't they pick 1 through 8 all those years? Were those choices cause or effect?

BTW, you'd probably do a better job of finding this out. When was the last time the #1 Pac team was not chosen a national seed? I'm sure it must have happened sometime. In the "modern" era?
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4/7/2014 8:16:35 PM

MiamiBaseball
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Dodger Matt wrote:
If the RPI was the dominant determining factor, why didn't they pick 1 through 8 all those years? Were those choices cause or effect?

BTW, you'd probably do a better job of finding this out. When was the last time the #1 Pac team was not chosen a national seed? I'm sure it must have happened sometime. In the "modern" era?


I think it's pretty obvious that RPI has been the overwhelming factor. Especially over the last four years. It seems that when a top 8 team has been passed over, it was because of too many national seeds in one conference, or lower than expected finish in a conference. For example, NC State was #7 last year, but #4 in the ACC.

To answer your second paragraph, UCLA was the Pac-10 champ in 2011 with an RPI of 34. They were a regional host but not a national seed.
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