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6/2/2011 3:41:16 PM

RoundingThirdStaff
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[font=Verdana]Based on AD Mark Massari's comment from the SB Press Register that Pat Murphy is not a candidate but that there are a couple of Head Coaches in the regionals that are calling him and interested...Here is a list of those that are familiar with the western half of United States and could be candidates..they include...

Nino Giarratano...USF...Does a lot with very little...

Ray Birmingham...New Mexico...same as above.

Mike Batesole...Fresno State...Not sure if he is the answer...plus, don't see him moving unless the Gauchos are offering big money.

Ty Harrington..Texas State...Southland COY...a winner and great recruiter and coach...the Big West is an upgrade and could be a great fit.

Dan Heefner...Dallas Baptist...He got his team in and LSU, Oregon and Bakersfield didn't...Young, personable and energetic..he probably would like to be part of a team that is in a conference...another good fit.

Pat Casey...Oregon State...Long, Long, long shot, but Massari is from Oregon State and Casey...according to the OSU web site... "was instrumental in the drive to build Goss Stadium at Coleman Field, the 1999 renovation to Oregon State's longtime ballpark. The OSU head coach was heavily-involved in fundraising for the $2.3 million project; when the go-ahead was given for construction, he had a hand in the ballpark's design to assure that it would be one of the most user-friendly facilities in college baseball. In 2002, the ballpark also received its first set of lights for night play"...Isn't that just what the gauchos are looking for???

As far as Pat Murphy, I still don't think that is dead...He no doubt would be the best candidate, but that could also scare other coaches away from applying, knowing that he is the best candidate. The Gauchos must do their due diligence to make sure that they are interviewing ALL of the qualified candidates...this next hire is crucial to the future of UCSB baseball and the viability and strength of the entire conference .....But..the fact that Murphy's name was even mentioned in the first place is a win-win for both he and the Gauchos...It's like they are using each other to further strengthen the search process and Murphy's inclusion into other opportunities.[/font]
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6/2/2011 3:59:46 PM

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Why would anyone leave OSU for a 5th rate team in a state loaded on great programs?
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6/2/2011 4:13:35 PM

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MostUnknown wrote:
Why would anyone leave OSU for a 5th rate team in a state loaded on great programs?


Thats why I said it was a long, long, long shot...but you never know...Why would Serrano leave the success he has had in the baseball rich area of Fullerton for a 5th rate baseball school with the coldest climate in the SEC in Knoxville,Tennessee? MONEY!!! If AD Massari said he is looking at top head coaching candidates...that means he has money to spend....and probably lots of it...to make that statement.
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6/2/2011 5:46:53 PM

FullertonBaseballFan
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He has so much money he won't fund the last couple of scholarships on the roster and is telling the coach to go raise funds to do it.
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6/2/2011 7:23:37 PM

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FullertonBaseballFan wrote:
He has so much money he won't fund the last couple of scholarships on the roster and is telling the coach to go raise funds to do it.


Or more likely, he is not taking chances given what fellow UC school Cal went through, and wants to make sure that the next guy has the ability to raise funds...just in case other UC's follow suit with the precedent that Cal baseball set with their situation.

Esquer wasn't a big fund raising guy either and in the end, it was some passionate alumni that ended up funding Cal and reinstating their program and not Esquer.

Massari is smart and doesn't want fund raising to fall strictly on his department...he is trying to build something greater with all of the other sports too...He is making it known up front that he wants a fund raiser...Smart move in these tough economic times..
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6/2/2011 7:25:29 PM

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RoundingThirdStaff wrote:
MostUnknown wrote:
Why would anyone leave OSU for a 5th rate team in a state loaded on great programs?


Thats why I said it was a long, long, long shot...but you never know...Why would Serrano leave the success he has had in the baseball rich area of Fullerton for a 5th rate baseball school with the coldest climate in the SEC in Knoxville,Tennessee? MONEY!!! If AD Massari said he is looking at top head coaching candidates...that means he has money to spend....and probably lots of it...to make that statement.

I just can't imagine the amount of money it'd take convince a guy to take a HUGE step down.
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6/2/2011 9:12:15 PM

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MostUnknown wrote:
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I just can't imagine the amount of money it'd take convince a guy to take a HUGE step down.


Its only a step down if a coach has no confidence, leadership, coaching ability or is unable to recruit...Its a step up if a coach has those qualities, because you'd be a fool not to want to play for a top coach at a school with all of the upside this school has. Everything else is just gravy...
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6/2/2011 9:39:11 PM

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RoundingThirdStaff wrote:
MostUnknown wrote:
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I just can't imagine the amount of money it'd take convince a guy to take a HUGE step down.


Its only a step down if a coach has no confidence, leadership, coaching ability or is unable to recruit...Its a step up if a coach has those qualities, because you'd be a fool not to want to play for a top coach at a school with all of the upside this school has. Everything else is just gravy...

No, it's a step down because he'd go from playing in arguably one of the two best conferences in the country and winning year in and year out to a school at the bottom of the Big West with no history of winning in an area surrounded by schools who all are established and winning. To leave and go to UCSB would be an admission that money is all he cares about. Which is why like you said, it'd be a long, long, long, long shot.
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6/3/2011 9:31:04 AM

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MostUnknown wrote:
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No, it's a step down because he'd go from playing in arguably one of the two best conferences in the country and winning year in and year out to a school at the bottom of the Big West with no history of winning in an area surrounded by schools who all are established and winning. To leave and go to UCSB would be an admission that money is all he cares about. Which is why like you said, it'd be a long, long, long, long shot.


History is just that...history...those that live in the past have no future...A great coach can't be concerned about the past...only what the future for him and his career hold...You guys are looking at this all wrong...Ever hear about big name successful turn around specialists in business that transform a poorly run company back into profitablilty? This is that opportunity.

Plus...The Big West is a great conference...Santa Barbara is perfect with a much better year round, outdoor playing weather environment for a baseball player than the northern Pac 10 schools in Corvallis, Pullman, Seattle, and even to an extent, Berkeley when its fogged in ...Plus...in head to head competition, the Big West was 30-31 vs. the Pac 10 and the Big West had a down year this year...The table is set...a good coach just needs to do what he does best...


Plus...Horton went to a team that literally had no past...When Savage and Gillespie after him went to Irvine, they had no past...Kernan took on Bakersfield when they had no past. The history thing is an excuse for whiners and pre-madonnas that want the easy way to glory...Who really wants that guy?
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6/3/2011 12:06:04 PM

FullertonBaseballFan
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And those that don't learn from history aren't paying attention.

Can somebody turn around UCSB? Sure. Nobody's saying that. But, you are painting the place like it's Shangri-La. Bad playing surface that nobody wants to maintain to D-1 standards, no lights, no restrooms, no permanent concessions, seating that needs to be renovated, undercompensated coaches, underfunded scholarships. A coach asking to be on a level playing field isn't a prima donna, it's somebody who doesn't want to be at a competitive disadvantage, which is what UCSB is until they do something about it.

If the Big West is a great conference, why did only two teams get into regionals the last two years. It wasn't due to RPI bias against western teams. It was due to teams 3-9 not being nearly good enough. The conference is slipping from great to good unless some teams other than Fullerton and Irvine start doing something about it. At least Northridge and UCSB finally recognized they needed to start with changing coaches.

Fullerton went 8-1 and Irvine went 3-1 in midweek games against the Pac 10. Everybody else went 19-30. Once again, the only two good teams.

Horton went to Oregon do make 2-3X what he was making.

Savage was an assistant getting his first head coaching job.

Gillespie took over a program that just went to Omaha.

Kernen went to Bakersfield because he was a volunteer assistant at Fullerton after not being in baseball for a few years.
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6/3/2011 1:36:17 PM

RoundingThirdStaff
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FullertonBaseballFan wrote:
And those that don't learn from history aren't paying attention.

Bad playing surface that nobody wants to maintain to D-1 standards, no lights, no restrooms, no permanent concessions, seating that needs to be renovated, undercompensated coaches, underfunded scholarships.

If the Big West is a great conference, why did only two teams get into regionals the last two years.
Fullerton went 8-1 and Irvine went 3-1 in midweek games against the Pac 10. Everybody else went 19-30. Once again, the only two good teams.



To your first point...UCSB is paying attention, that is why they are making changes...but your other points don't take into consideration that Massari inherited a 4 years extension of the old coach and why invest into a program he probably had a plan to change? If I was a betting man...I would guess, (but don't know for sure) that he was just waiting it out...listening to donors and the changes they wanted to happen before they opened up their wallets... and selling his own future plan.

2. Again the bad playing surface, lights, restrooms concessions, scholly's (seating I like), are a result of the above statement. Donors and the university wanted change first...money to come later...Under-compensated coaches? Sure...why give a raise to a guy they were waiting to fire? And plus, the previous AD was clueless, so throw all of that out the window...It's the present AD and his plan and the bright future that makes this a great job...not the past.

3. I said the Big West was in a down year...In 2008, 2009, they had 4 NCAA bids. That needs to be and should be the norm...The rest of the Big West tries at least. Long Beach had the 5th toughest SOS in the country according to Boyd, Cal Poly came in at 30...UCSB at 48...all tougher than 2011 BW darling...UC Irvine's 59 SOS. Against the PAC 10, the Gauchos were .500 at 4-4, Cal Poly 2-2 and give the Beach some credit for playing 20 games against the PAC10, although they went 8-12, they did have some key wins and took a series from Oregon. Baseball conferences have up and down years...two years ago it was the Pac 10's turn...they turned it around last year.

Bottom line...any coaching job is a premier, top of the line job if you want it to be. With the potential that Santa Barbara has...it's not much of a stretch to see that this is a gold mine of an opportunity for the school and for the betterment of the conference if a top name coach decides to take it on.
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6/3/2011 2:53:30 PM

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RoundingThirdStaff wrote:


Bottom line...any coaching job is a premier, top of the line job if you want it to be. With the potential that Santa Barbara has...it's not much of a stretch to see that this is a gold mine of an opportunity for the school and for the betterment of the conference if a top name coach decides to take it on.
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Completely disagree. Some jobs are stepping stones to bigger and better places and not destinations. Not that I'm saying Casey is anywhere near Nick Saban, but if Nick Saban left Alabama and went to someplace like Miami of Ohio, you cannot tell me thats a premier job. He'd be taking a step down. Premier jobs are top tier schools in great conferences, with the resources to support the team and that win. The only exception would be alma mater's. Not trying to knock UCSB, but it's not a premier job. That's just the way it is. It's a lesser job. Thats not to say someone couldn't come in a build something great. But that doesn't make it a great job now. And it surely isn't a place that a top name coach is going to drop everything for.
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6/3/2011 3:47:59 PM

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MostUnknown wrote:
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Completely disagree. Some jobs are stepping stones to bigger and better places and not destinations. Not that I'm saying Casey is anywhere near Nick Saban, but if Nick Saban left Alabama and went to someplace like Miami of Ohio, you cannot tell me thats a premier job. He'd be taking a step down. Premier jobs are top tier schools in great conferences, with the resources to support the team and that win. The only exception would be alma mater's. Not trying to knock UCSB, but it's not a premier job. That's just the way it is. It's a lesser job. Thats not to say someone couldn't come in a build something great. But that doesn't make it a great job now. And it surely isn't a place that a top name coach is going to drop everything for.



Agree to Completely Disagree then...UCSB is not Miami of Ohio...poor choice of comparison. Miami of Ohio has nothing to offer to anyone at any level...other than to fill an obligation to the conference to have a football program. And Alabama is as good as it gets...the Saban analogy makes no sense...The Crimson Tide is one of the top 5 football programs in the country...Nobody leaves that unless its for the NFL.

Oregon State is not one of the top 25 baseball schools in the country...not even close...It's a place where Casey made it a great program despite the lousy weather conditions. Players come play for him...but if he was elsewhere...where it was a lot nicer baseball climate...he would have a dynasty.

UCSB is a top tier academic school...arguably the most picturesque in the country...that graduates its players and sends quite a few to the pro ranks despite its record...Scouts love going there...who wouldn't? And the weather...who can argue with the weather?

You all are so stuck on the past and have some notion that because they didn't spend to improve the program in the past, that they are locked into this time warp of mediocrity that they can never get out of. What kind of logic is that anyway?
It's not a lessor job if someone makes it a great job. Augie, Horton and Serrano made something out of what is an ugly, Junior College on steroids commuter campus at Fullerton. Miracles can happen...In the end...it's about the baseball, but get a great top tier coach that can sell himself AND a campus and academic institution like UCSB to recruits nationwide?...now that is a winner and a definition of a premier job...

For the record, I made a similar rant about Santa Clara about a year ago on another board...and they have great facilities, awesome academics and a small, but picturesque campus...their lack of success mirrors UCSB in many ways...actually worse than the Gauchos between the lines... That job also has the potential to be a great opportunity for a great coach...it's just that their AD wouldn't pull the trigger...at least until today...although the release states that O'Brien resigned...this has been a long time coming according to insiders...but to me it still pales in comparison to the opportunity that is available now at UCSB. However, the West coast coaching searches just got more interesting...and probably a lot more expensive to the schools interviewing.
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