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2/26/2011 4:46:17 PM

bcollman
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Each weekend the coordinators of our High School coverage will sit down and go in-depth on 3 topics here on the HS Forum. Feel free to join the discussion below.

Leading off:
The PG National Top 50 rankings were unveiled yesterday. Obviously, every team that made the list is very talented, but what about the teams that just missed? Which one was the most difficult to leave off?

Todd Gold: Narrowing the list to 50 teams was tough, picking just one that was the hardest to leave off isn't any easier. There were several teams that I think we are going to look back on at the end of the year and wonder how we didn't find a way to get them into the top 50 to start the season.

The one that I'm most interested in is Westview (OR). On paper, they look to be the top team in their state. It’s difficult to know at this point how they would fare against some of the teams at the top of the rankings, like St. Francis (Mt. View, CA) a few hundred miles down the coast. But they are certainly a very talented team and have several guys who I am sure that MLB organizations will be watching very closely between now and June. 3B/RHP Carson Kelly is not only the best player in Oregon, but one of the top players in the class of 2012. He's got some talented teammates as well.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Wildcats play their way into the National Rankings at some point this season and they should be even better next year. I am interested to see how they fare against some quality competition from Arizona and Colorado at the Coach Bob National Invitational tournament in March.



Ben Collman: The team that I really had a tough time leaving off was Parkview Baptist (LA). The state is always loaded with talented and underrated players. Parkview has three pitchers that can match up with just anyone in the country in Russell Reynolds, Colin Rodgers, and William Bacon. Reynolds and Rogers are both juniors, and have committed to LSU and Auburn respectively. Reynolds has reportedly been up to 94 this spring, and Rogers is a lefty with great pitchability and offspeed stuff to go along with a 90 mph FB. Bacon is committed to LSU-Eunice and is another very good arm with his FB up to 87.
This is a program that is used to winning, with seven titles since 2002. Another one could be on the way in 2011. Baton Rouge Catholic is our top ranked team in the state but I could see Parkview moving up the rankings as well. How good the offense is will likely determine how far they go, a big early season test will be their game tonight vs. perennial title contender Barbe.


2-hole:
With two weeks of the season in the books (in warm weather states at least), what has been the biggest surprise to you thus far?
BC: My biggest surprise happened this weekend in Sumrall, MS. After going undefeated in 2009 and losing only one game in 2010 the Bobcats lost their season opener Friday when they were beaten by 5-2 by Forest Country Day School in a game that saw Sumrall commit five errors and allow only two hits, both home runs. Saturday, against rival Petal (the defending 6A champion) it looked like Sumrall might lose its second straight game, something that has never happened under head coach Larry Knight, especially after Petal SP Cody Conkle hit a three run home run in the 5th inning to give Petal a 6-4 lead.

But Sumrall came back with three runs in the bottom of the 7th, including a walk-off two-run single by Luke Lowery.

The Bobcats should be commended for an unbelievable stretch of baseball that is envied by every other school in the nation. When it is a surprise that a team loses one game in a season, it truly is a remarkable accomplishment. Saturday, Sumrall showed why they will again be the team to beat in the state, coming back to win a game against one of the top teams in the state against a pitcher that looked like he was in a groove. The outcome of Saturday’s game should make the rematch March 26th even more exciting.


TG: Well, I think the most pleasant surprise to this point has been the caliber of talent I've found out about in Arizona thus far. Coming into the year I was well aware of Hamilton and Horizon and have had a chance to watch some supremely talented players from AZ in Michael Howard (Prescott) and Scott Hoffman (Desert Ridge) at PG tournaments in the past.

As I began talking with coaches and scouts in the area I began to hear about some very good players and teams that I didn't know much about. This is my favorite part of covering high school ball for PG. finding out about prospects that I would've otherwise missed. While I knew that Mountain Pointe had a big time slugger in C/3B Kevin Cron, I didn't realize how good the rest of that team is. This is another team that I had a difficult time leaving off of the top 50. Mountain Pointe has a great website run by their booster club, and they stream their games live on it so I got a chance to catch their 10-5 victory over Boulder Creek yesterday (don’t you just love living in the future?). I came away impressed with the depth of their lineup. They have good hitters throughout the lineup with Jordan Kipper, Anthony Valderama and sophomore Brantley Bell (son of former MLB Gold Glove SS and current assistant coach Jay) to name a few. The Pride have gotten off to a 3-0 start and will have a chance to prove they are for real with road games against a pair of nationally ranked opponents Gilbert (today) and Hamilton on Friday.
I’m not surprised that Mountain Pointe is good, but I’m surprised by how good they are. I expected they would be the fourth best team in Arizona before the season. That may have been giving them too little credit.


Clutch time:
California and Florida were well represented in the pre-season top 50, with 8 and 7 teams making the list respectively. Which of these powerhouse states has better overall talent, in your opinion?

BC: While I will contend that it is very close, Florida looks to have more talent in 2011. The state has the nation’s top ranked team, Gulliver Prep, with seven Miami commits and a loaded roster. Florida also has 13 teams that I looked at closely when compiling my Top 50. American Heritage (which beat Gulliver on Thursday), has an AFLAC All-American in Brandon Sedell, a stud pitcher in Jimmy Nesselt, along with Brandon Lopez, Esteban Puerta, and Brandon Diaz. The Patriots certainly belong in the discussion for Top 5 in the state. Teams like Pace and Flanagan, who won the 5A and 6A titles last year and each return a lot of talent, both get overlooked because the state is so loaded. Every area of the state has a team that would the best team in a lot of states.
Having a top prospect in many states also means you are one of the state’s top teams, not so in Florida. Jose Fernandez, Francisco Lindor, and Javier Baez all look like first round draft picks, but none of their teams are in the state’s top 20. From Miami to Fort Myers to Palm Beach County to Orlando, Tampa, Gainseville, and Jacksonville the state has the top teams and players in the nation.

TG: I can't believe that I'm going to argue AGAINST the talent in Florida, but I simply can't overlook just how extremely good the high school ball in California is. If we were talking SoCal against Florida then I could side with the sunshine state, but when you look all of the great talent in the rest of the state as well, it has to be the top state. We included eight California teams in the National Top 50 rankings, but there are at least 20 exceptionally talented squads that I have my eye on. One team that I am very interested in seeing is El Dorado. This team has two elite prospects on it in Jr LHP Kyle Twomey and sophomore RHP/SS Chris Rivera (#1 ranked player in class of 2013). It will be interesting to see how far a team with such young talent can go. If they don’t make a deep run this year, they will be in prime position to do so next year. A great example of how deep California is would be the pitching staff of Mission Viejo. Kieran Lovegrove (62nd ranked player in class of 2012) didn’t even pitch for the varsity team as a sophomore last year, in most states he could have been the varsity ace as a freshman. This is a state where coaches leave college jobs to coach high school programs and future big leaguers actually see time on JV rosters.
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2/27/2011 7:31:05 PM

theskipper
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Seton Hall Prep is loaded with good underclassmen.

BTW, this is great stuff, keep up the good work.
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2/27/2011 7:35:03 PM

gsabers
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Larry Knight does a great job at Sumrall! I see California has 8 and Florida 7 teams in the top 50. How does the other traditional power state Texas match up with these states this year?
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2/28/2011 8:42:46 AM

bcollman
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Thanks for the kind words theskipper.

Seton Hall looks to be one of the top teams in New Jersey this year led by Vandy commit OF John Norwood. Seton Hall has a very good baseball tradition with alumni Joe Martinez and Rick Porcello in the bigs.

Do you think they will be able to compete against Don Bosco Prep, our top ranked team in the Northeast? Who are some other teams in NJ that you have your eye on?
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2/28/2011 8:50:34 AM

bcollman
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gsabers, the state of Texas looks to be loaded once again. It placed 13 teams in the final 2010 poll, and had 5 in our first 2011 poll. Calallen, Klein, Bellaire, and Moody were some other schools we looked at. Two individual players to watch are 2011 Dallas Jesuit OF Joshua Bell and 2012 Galveston Ball OF Nick Williams two of the top outfielders in the nation.
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2/28/2011 10:43:23 AM

theskipper
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Don Boscoe always has a lot of talent. What about NYC area, George Washington?
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2/28/2011 11:02:29 AM

tgold
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GW looks great on paper, junior Fernelys Sanchez is a monster. Losing their coach to a suspension for the year will hurt and may leave the door open for someone else to sneak in. Xaverian, Tottenville, Lindenhurst, Monroe and Ketcham are all candidates to steal that top spot. Though I still think Washington looks to be the top team in the state heading into the season.
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2/28/2011 1:51:12 PM

theskipper
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Nelson Rodriguez might be just as good a prospect as Sanchez.
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2/28/2011 3:51:35 PM

gsabers
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What state is looking the best after the traditional big 3? Georgia has had a nice run lately. Would they still be the next best state this year?
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3/1/2011 9:40:06 AM

bcollman
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Georgia looks to be very strong again with a Top 10 team in Columbus, a Top 25 team in Parkview, and a couple of possible top 50 teams in Harrison and Marist. The Atlanta metro area is very deep, and the rest of the state always produces good teams with Cartersville and Calhoun being two recent examples.

Another state that looks to be very strong is Arizona. The state had 3 teams in the Top 50 and another half dozen were talked about. The state always seems to be underrated but is again loaded with d1 and draft prospects.
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3/1/2011 10:21:12 AM

bbguy13
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Which state is better this year: North or South Carolina? Which state has the best teams and whick has the best prospects?
edited by bbguy13 on 3/1/2011
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3/1/2011 10:23:57 AM

bbguy13
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theskipper wrote:
Nelson Rodriguez might be just as good a prospect as Sanchez.



I agree, both are very good but very different players.
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3/2/2011 7:49:18 AM

bcollman
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bbguy13, I would say North Carolina on both questions but it is very close. South Carolina looks to have a lot of parity as far as teams, with very little separating the top 5-6 teams. I have Byrnes as the top team but it could be White Knoll, Wando, St. James, Blythewood or a number of others. North Carolina has a legit top five team in Forsyth Country Day (featured in our Game of the Week vs. Pinecrest, another top team in the state) as well as our current #26 team in Ardrey Kell. They have depth as well with Cuthbertson and their great pitching staff, and Providence, Roberson, and East Rowan.

2011 Prospects, I would lean toward North Carolina's depth (especially in RHPs and SS) over South Carolina. SC has a couple of top prospects in Taylor Guerreri, Shon Carson and Hunter Cole. The 2012 NC class looks to be very strong led by SS Corey Seager and RHP Curt Britt, while SC class looks very average, although it is very early.
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3/2/2011 8:27:58 AM

theskipper
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SC - Tanner English ++Arm, ++Run, ++Play
Not large body, but BIG tools and future college all american unless an ML club wants him now.
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3/3/2011 11:16:40 AM

tgold
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I think English vs Carson comes down to what your looking for: a high upside player who is a bit raw at present (Carson) or a highly polished safer bet with a little less upside (English).

I love watching English play and think the Gamecocks have got a heck of a ballplayer coming in next year if he isn't lured away with a pro contract. But as a long term prospect I think a majority of scouts prefer Carson.
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3/8/2011 4:50:41 AM

makoniky
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tgold wrote:
GW looks great on paper, junior Fernelys Sanchez is a monster. Losing their coach to a suspension for the year will hurt and may leave the door open for someone else to sneak in. Xaverian, Tottenville, Lindenhurst, Monroe and Ketcham are all candidates to steal that top spot. Though I still think Washington looks to be the top team in the state heading into the season.


Tgold my question to you is where and how many games and against whom did you see F Sanchez play ? I saw him this fall play 14/15 games dopwn here in Fl and I would hardly call him "a monster". In fact, in every game I saw (15 total) he was not even close to being one of the better players on the field. Being a former player from the north east, I can tell you, playing in Fl, Ca, Texas, and Ga is alot different than putting up numbers in the northeast.
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3/8/2011 11:54:49 AM

tgold
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makoniky, I saw him play in several events last year against pitching that ranged from decent to exceptional. I stand by my statement; he is a monster. I am basing that more off of tools than numbers.

The only event I have his totals available for without digging through boxes of scoresheets is the WWBA World Championship in Jupiter(absolute highest level of HS baseball competition).

In 4 games at Jupiter, Sanchez hit .300/.416/.500 and went 3-for-3 on Stolen Base attempts with very positive notes about his defense. He did not see a Fastball below 85, and saw 3 pitchers who were over 90. Very respectable for a 2012 player.


Perhaps you caught him on the wrong days, it is baseball, even Pujols goes into slumps.
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3/8/2011 1:58:15 PM

makoniky
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tgold wrote:
makoniky, I saw him play in several events last year against pitching that ranged from decent to exceptional. I stand by my statement; he is a monster. I am basing that more off of tools than numbers.

The only event I have his totals available for without digging through boxes of scoresheets is the WWBA World Championship in Jupiter(absolute highest level of HS baseball competition).

In 4 games at Jupiter, Sanchez hit .300/.416/.500 and went 3-for-3 on Stolen Base attempts with very positive notes about his defense. He did not see a Fastball below 85, and saw 3 pitchers who were over 90. Very respectable for a 2012 player.


Perhaps you caught him on the wrong days, it is baseball, even Pujols goes into slumps.


haha....yeah....I'd say striking out 11 out of 14 ab is a bad couple of days. Let me just say this Tgold. 85/86 mph is batting practice down here in Fl for a good hitter. Kids down here would hit 5/600 if that's all they saw was 85 to 90 fastballs. The pitchers down here (even an average one) have 3, 4 pitches that they can throw for strikes. It's the majors and the northeast is single A. And you know that. And hitting 300 in a tourn ( even Jupiter) is HARDLY monster numbers. All I'm saying is.....#26 in THE COUNTRY, c'mon.....Maybe top 1000.
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3/8/2011 4:55:07 PM

tgold
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I don't know why you keep saying "down here" when talking about a tournament that took place "down here" in Florida. I am WELL aware of how good the pitching (and hitting for that matter) is in Florida.

You say "[font=Arial, Tahoma]I saw him this fall play 14/15 games dopwn here in Fl" b[/font]ut in the two PG tournaments held in Florida last fall (Underclass, Jupiter) he only played in 8 games. Don't know where you saw the other 6/7 games, but that must have been where he supposedly struck out 11 times in 14 ABs...was he facing the Marlins?

You are contradicting yourself far too often for me to bother continuing with this conversation. You are clearly making gross exaggerations and presenting hyperbole as fact.

His numbers in 4 games may not impress you, but as I said previously;

[font=Arial, Tahoma]I stand by my statement; he is a monster. I am basing that more off of tools than numbers. [/font]
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3/10/2011 9:02:40 AM

makoniky
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tgold wrote:
I don't know why you keep saying "down here" when talking about a tournament that took place "down here" in Florida. I am WELL aware of how good the pitching (and hitting for that matter) is in Florida.

You say "I saw him this fall play 14/15 games dopwn here in Fl" but in the two PG tournaments held in Florida last fall (Underclass, Jupiter) he only played in 8 games. Don't know where you saw the other 6/7 games, but that must have been where he supposedly struck out 11 times in 14 ABs...was he facing the Marlins?

You are contradicting yourself far too often for me to bother continuing with this conversation. You are clearly making gross exaggerations and presenting hyperbole as fact.

His numbers in 4 games may not impress you, but as I said previously;

I stand by my statement; he is a monster. I am basing that more off of tools than numbers.


Tgold I was at both of your ( pg ) tourns in the fall as well as many others. One in Nov, and the other in Jan where I saw the player. If you would like me to tell you where they were and run by whom I will. Players do not only play in PG tourns Tgold. There are MANY other venues where these kids play. That being said, I know what I saw. I ve been around this game along time (alot longer than you have) and I know when I see that either a player is A. Not prepared or B Overmatched. It was my opinion, as well as MANY other people that were there that he was more overmatched (not up to the level of the competition) than ill prepared. Can a player catch up ? Absolutly. He is a great looking athlete, that's for sure. Of the TOOLS you you speak of, only speed is plus. The rest are average to below average IMO. I'm just saying, that if I'm going to put a #23 ranking and call a player a "monster" I would want to see 1 or 2 more plus tools. That's all
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